If I wasnt clear, there is some sloppy customer service here but fortunately the people who actually designed and built the gun are top notch! In this caliber comparison article, we are going to take a detailed look at both the 300 AAC Blackout and the 308 Winchester. I love the Wulf. Hmmm.I see a new legislative agenda in the works. Theres no denying that the pairing of the AR-15 platform and the 223 Remington is an exceptional match. All Rights Reserved. The .50 Beowulf cartridge is based on the .50 Action Express, a large pistol cartridge thats the source of the Desert Eagles legendary power and even more legendary recoil. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Semi-automatic pistols for self-defense continue to be extremely popular, but there is a surprising amount of new double-stack 1911s and revolvers released this year. We shot hollow points, but you can have your .50s with brass or lead solids or FMJ if you prefer. Ssshhhhhh. Wow. and on behalf of the Federal Government, please accept my sincere apologies for running up a national debt which neither you, nor your children, nor their children will ever be able to repay. There are lots of .45 caliber bullet choices for reloading. He probably wouldnt have even needed a spare magazine and would be alive drinking Danish ale today.Whats the .50 Beowulf?In short, the .50 Beowulf is an elephantine round designed to increase stopping power of an AR-15-platform rifle by a factor of 10 billion or so. The SOCOM round can fire bullets within the same 200-600 grain range, though 250gr, 300gr, and 350gr factory loads are the most common. Using the proper bullet thats designed to remain in one piece, theres plenty of momentum to get that job done too. My entry upper will put every round into a cloverleaf (granted its a BIG cloverleaf) at 100 off the bench all day long. And its an AR, so you get all the bennies like box magazines, accessory rails, adjustable stocks and aftermarket performance-enhancing parts. It's very reassuring to carry in areas full of Grizzlys and wolves when elk hunting. Easy to reload(no shoulder to reshape) Slugs and powder are easy to find(thank you 500 s&w). While felt recoil depends on a lot of factors like the recoil impulse velocity and time curve, one way to objectively compare recoil is to look at the raw recoil energy figures. In doing so, I am debating / weighing the pros and cons of the 3 heaviest calibers available for the AR platform, those being the .50 Beowulf by Alexander Arms, the .450 Bushmaster (by Bushmaster, obviously) and, the .458 SOCOM. We know, because we used traditional double-stack 5.56 mags, including PMags and C-Products metal mags, and they all functioned perfectly as single-stack .50 Beowulf mags. I can see it now on my shopping list 1 box of Hornady Pink Mist Beowulf. I stole one from an inexpensive starter AR(Stag model1+) I have a 2 stage tactical trigger and an PRS stock ready to assemble for it.. Maybe this story should have been a Greek tragedy. Mostly later. We all need a rifle that hurls a 2000 grain bullet. Hunters generally consider 1,000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy the minimum amount required for harvesting a whitetail and 1,500 ft-lbs for elk. Have both. Thats also why AAs Grendel and Beowulf barrels/bolts arent compatible with other Grendel and 12.742 (Beowulf w/o the copyright) barrels/bolts. For the civilian market, it looks like something a hunter would enjoy- especially a hunter who mostly uses ARs and doesnt want a bolt gun for whatever reason. Restricting the maximum overall length of a cartridge to 2.26 and demanding kinetic energy values over 2,000 ft-lbs means that bullet design must take a back seat to external ballistics. 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. My 300blk pistol is very forgiving and typically cycles most loads and I like to push limits on low power and high end to see what is possible just for the hell of it. Initially the recoil was an issue but after installing a muzzle brake and a LimbSaver recoil pad the recoil is almost comfortable. You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to utilize the functionality of this website. A cloverleaf of 50 Beowulf is almost a full 2. Grendel and his cranky mom have already been dispatched by the Beowulf, but theres still plenty of perfectly good applications for this thumper. Would be doing an AR setup instead of a bolt action. Free recoil is dependent on bullet weight, rifle weight, muzzle velocity, and powder charge. (Since 2007) And 600 rounds neat engine block gun not a long distance hitter. With a suppressor. I would like any reloading data you may have in any weights of bullets and type powder and of course how much powder. I have a 50 Beowulf with a 10.5 barrel. AA, Midway and other retailers offer several more expensive ammo flavors, but all ammo costs can be mitigated by reloading. Most of the factory ammo for 50 Beowulf comes from Alexander Arms as they hold the trademark on the cartridge name. Trying to decide between these 2 rifles for my next rifle. I have a few boxes of the 350 grain solid Spitzer dangerous game ammo that I havent tried yet but Im betting should be capable of taking down a T-Rex at 300 yards. Just ordered mine! Guess Im one of the few who noticed. The reason Mr. A went with the 7.6239 head size was, per an interview he did about it, because thats the largest he could make an AR bolt without significantly weakening the lugs. AA will sell you twenty 350g Hornady XTPs for only $29.23. Not to mention having to walk around with a massive erection from carrying that much problem solving. Brass lasts quite awhile. 50 Beowulf: JHP: 325: 2524: 1870: 50 Beowulf: XTP HP: 350: . I see some B.S. The .50 Beowulfs rebated rim matches the rim of the common 7.6239 commie cartridge. Great gun I cant say enough good things about it although I havent had a chance to test all the kits I have yet. The same ammo from Midway will be even cheaper when its in stock. Anyone know if the AR mags need adjusting to work or would I have to buy them from trommix? Although developed under different circumstances, both the Beowulf and the SOCOM share the same parent case. Thanks again folks. I didnt want it, but it shows sloppy management that the invoice says it was in the shipment. The .50 Beowulf is the biggest, nastiest cartridge that actually cycles out of the AR-15 platform. Im having a hard enough time deciding on my first new rifle without all these new calibers and models popping up left and right. By 300 yards, were looking at a 46-inch drop. Developed by Alexander Arms, not much is known about the genesis of the 50 Beowulf as Bill Alexander is known for keeping company matters a closely guarded secret. I cant leave my 12ga or big bore lever loaded in the truck when driving around. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. First and foremost, it is based on your standard AR-15 platform. In Michigan the only way I can have a loaded gun in my truck is if its a pistol with my cpl. Hi I got A Davidson Defense Nitride Finish BCG 7.6239 for my complete upper pistol kit,So my bolt will work or not with both of them? Our buddy Dave describes the .50 slug, especially the HP, as a flying ashtray. Chatted with a female owner a couple years ago that was on here that owned one. Wonder what that would do. They also make other conversion kits for .40 S&W, .45, .300 Blackout, 6.5, 6.8, as well as some others. I think it's a great all around cartridge. Needless to say I got tired of ducking. Speaking of box magazines, the company offers an optimized version but the round will work with standard GI magazines. While comfort was totally dependent on technique, ease of shooting accurately was somewhat dependent on the lower. A straight-walled cartridge is necessary for deer hunting in Midwest states like Ohio, Iowa, Indiana, and Michigan while the bottlenecked design aids in reliable feeding. A.308 is on its way sometime soon. Sure, the upper kit makes it muzzle heavy, but that doesnt make it too clumsy to handle. In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM have an effective range of 250 yards for deer and 150 yards for elk. Although the 50 fires the largest caliber bullet of the three, its inefficient bullet design hemorrhages velocity and kinetic energy down range and has gone completely subsonic at 200 yards. The ammo I use is right froqm Alexander . Tried to edit the above post but it didnt take so Ill do it here. Then a week later I got an automated message saying essentially: 1. your order may have been cancelled because you specifically requested in writing that it be cancelled, 2. your order may be partially fulfilled, 3. your order has been manually entered, 4. Danish King Hrothgars beer hall was under attack by a demonic monster. Enjoy. So that it can use a 7.62x39 mm bolt face, the case rim is rebated, or smaller than the case body. However, free recoil can be used to give a general idea of how hard a round kicks. This allows hand loaders the flexibility to create rounds that are customized to their rifle and their unique shooting needs. Have a new Spikes Pirate lower I am building waiting for it! Power always comes at a price, and Im not just talking about the initial cost of the upper. But still impressive. The 50 is the heaviest bullet of the three, but it has the lowest BC due to its design. In the table below, weve listed the ballistic coefficient and sectional density for our selection of 3 rounds. I will try to post a report after I have assembled it and taken it for a spin. cant wait to read your next review. Why not? I have used different lowers with the same result. I'm pleased with my 300 BLK, waiting on the stamp to put a rifle stock on it. Its been exploited by creative designers to chamber more and more specialty cartridges such as the 6.5 Grendel (co-created by the aforementioned Bill Alexander), 300 AAC Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, 224 Valkyrie, and 6.8 Remington SPC. 223, 308, or 243. I appreciate your appreciation . But then, it hits you. The fun factor alone merits four stars. It obviously retains more velocity down range because it has a smaller cross section than .50 caliber bullets. some times I like to take my 300 blackout loaded with subs and do some stalking for deer it is great for 50-75 yd shots , other times I just like to go nuclear and take my wulf or socom and hammer what ever I shoot . Its not a (clip), its a magazine. The 50 Beowulf fires wider and heavier bullets than the 458 SOCOM. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. When it comes to big game hunting, all three cartridges are excellent options within their effective range. The 50 Beowulf lists its maximum overall length as 2.25". Thought a Beretta shotgun was out of your budget? The 450 Bushmaster dominates in terms of muzzle velocity as it leaves the barrel at a whopping 2,200 fps, which is 300 fps faster than the 458 SOCOM and 425 fps faster than the 50 Beowulf. Fortunately, this problem is self-correcting. Because I can! in the Beowulf, the fun of which I can understand. Originally Posted By boltedsafe: $150.00 3" chambered 12 gauge pump with Brenneke Black Magic Magnum (12 GA 3") Slugs. Configuration tested: Stag Arms tactical lower receiver, Midwest Industries quad rail handguard, Alexander Arms tank muzzle device, Eotech sight, Materials: 7075-T651 forged upper; ASTM 9310 equivalent, surface refined, case hardened, peened and phosphated bolt; CrMoV phosphated barrel; Internally honed and hard chromed, M16 type carrier, Gas system: Mid length 316 stainless, hard drawn. Pull the rifle in tight and theres a big shove awaiting your glenohumeral joint. The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy.Precision One loads a round using Hornadys 350-grain XTP Magnum hollow point projectile. A 30 round 5.56 magazine might be a ticket to prison in AWB states even though it only holds 10 rounds of .50 Beowulf. I also hear tell that its a fine platform for traditional rounds such as the .243 Winchester. Still, if were headed out to the prairie for a bit of early morning bison blasting, youre the one who gets to hump the rifle there and the buffalo meat back, and Ill carry the sandwiches. Still with tried and true calibers for your first rifle. A 300 grain .45 Gov't bullet clocks in at about 1800 fps at the muzzle and 1500 fps at 100 yards, with energy of about 2200 and 1500 ft.-lb. The 375 socom looks interesting. Now if we could just drop that price down. Im thinking that the original Beowulf would have much rather entered that dragons lair with an Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. You know, I would normally think of this as a novelty item, but as of this year we in Ohio can now hunt Deer with rifles other than muzzle loaders, but there is a catch We have to use a rifle chambered for straight wall pistol cartridges, such as .44 mag, 9mm, .45, etc. The performance of the 50 Beowulf drops off considerably past 150 yards as the bullet goes subsonic at this range. Factory ammo from Alexander Arms will run you around $1.70/round while custom ammo for hunting or personal defense will typically cost around $3/round. Its not new Ive owned my AA 50 wulf upper for 7 years or so. Since the bullet is .50 caliber, you can easily find projectiles if you choose to reload, and Alexander Arms and others publish tested reloading data. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 50 Beowulf or 300 Blackout, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik. 300 Blackout Rifles ; 300 Blackout Pistols ; 300 Blackout Complete Uppers ; 300 Blackout Barrels ; 7.62x39 . It is always unburnt powder in the chamber that is the problem. On the other hand, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM can remain supersonic past 300 yards. It is most a Gee Wiz cool kid toy. . Its just a tad more than the .223 cousin. The perfect niche for such a weapon that otherwise seems unnecessary, but fills a specific role most dont consider better than most other rifles can. Lancer mags are the best plastic mags. And for those shooters who just want MORE, this trifecta of Thumper rounds can provide all the kinetic energy and recoil your heart could desire the 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. While the bolt carrier, firing pin and little bits seem familiar, the bolt face is sized for the 7.6339, which has a larger rim than the 5.56. For larger game like elk, black bear, and even moose, Id favor the 458 SOCOM primarily due to the Barnes 300gr TTSX bullet as it was designed specifically for this cartridge. Thank you for the details Accur81 now I can stop fantasizing about an AR-15 in .45-70 Government! I mostly went with this caliber because it makes a nice SBR, found out about suppressor abilities and I'm itching to slap one on there now. You cannot run a 243 Winchester through an AR-15. Monday I got an email saying I had to send paperwork from a dealer. Rounds like the 300 Blackout, 6.8 SPC, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf are extremely popular and effective for bringing home the venison. Even though you reload, 50 Beowulf bullets and brass are nowhere near as cheap or available as converted .223 and .30 caliber bullets. Michigan just changed the law allowing me to use this for deer in my zone. The 3.91" bottleneck case is rimless with a base of 0.804". They're nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. As the .300 Blackout was designed to work within the parameters of the existing AR platform, only the barrel needs to be replaced . That alone ends the debate for me. The 450 Bushmaster is also unique in the fact that there are single shot and bolt-action rifles available for hunters that are required to use these firearms whereas the 458 and 50 are relegated to the AR-15 platform only. A Safety Harbor .50BMG upper would also be nice. The .50 Beowulf and .458 SOCOM use a .50AE parent case and are almost similar in overall length and case capacity. S**t. If yours is anything like mine, its already too long. I bought one of Mr. Alexanders early .50 Beowulfs, and Im here to tell you, theyre a ton of fun. Furthermore, the 50 Beowulf name is trademarked by Alexander Arms. The most common loadings have 300- to 500-grain projectiles, and they move fast enough to deliver some serious thump. Could you shoot me an email so we can touch base? Adapting new calibers to the AR-15 rifle is nothing new, and cartridges like the 300 Blackout, 224 Valkyrie, 6.8 SPC, and 6.5 Grendel have all been moderately successful. Thats also about the distance where kinetic energy drops below 1,000 foot-pounds.What does all that mean? Not my wallet, though. Jacketed 45 ACP bullets measure 0.451 in diameter while the 450 Bushmaster requires the slightly wider 0.452 diameter bullets. Both very capable at 150-200yds. Keep your gear handy when it's not on your belt. I have the basic Entry model and its listed @ only 4.5pounds w/o optic. In terms of penetration, the Beowulf and SOCOM are essentially tied at 0.2 and 0.204, respectively, with the Bushmaster coming in last at 0.175. It is incumbent upon the reloader to progress in a safe manner. While were wishing, make mine belt-fed with HE rounds. at those same distances. And pistols dont have magazine limits in michigan so youre not limited to 5rd mags when hunting. Between the two, the 50 would be a fun gun while the 300 can be used for hunting and such. Mine is on a RRA receiver. The upper can be ordered all dressed up, or it can be fully accessorized by you to the financial limit of your wallet and the physical limit of your biceps. .458 SOCOM, and the .50 Beowulf. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! On the other hand, development of the 458 SOCOM began in 2000 in response to a conversation (supposedly at a barbecue) between Marty Ter Weeme of Teppo Jutsu LLC and a member of the United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) surrounding the ineffectiveness of the 5.56 NATO round in the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993. .22 LR to .50 Beowulf, the ubiquitous 5.56 NATO still reigns supreme. It is unlikely that the whitetail or hog in your sights will be able to detect any differences in penetration, however the 458 and 50 will penetrate just a bit deeper than the 450. This however has been on it for quite some time. Shooting hundreds of rounds in a single range session from such a powerful rifle is not my idea of a great time, but it isnt torture. Honestly if you reload, I think I would look at the 375 SOCOM, the power of the 458 SOCOM or the 50 Beuwolf, and the longer distances that you seem to want for hunting. I have a few blackouts , a 458 socom and a 50 beowulf . Developed by Alexander Arms, this cartridge is a tapered, straight-wall case topped with, you guessed it, a .50-caliber projectile. I have never been able to shoot more than 4 rounds in a row with out the gun jamming. So my professional conclusions are A: Im possibly insane and B: this thing sounds like a whole lot of fun. Hi all I ordered a AA .50 Beowulf upper, and reloading dies and 150 Hornady 300gr FTX (flex tip, expanding) to start with . As a . Practical Applications 300 Blackout was designed as a combat cartridge, but it also has found a role in home defense and hunting. Take a moment to recall the 3,182 lines of alliterative verse poetry written in unintelligible Old English. All three rounds are excellent choices for hogs, coyotes, and general pests. Since I can shoot +P .45-70 Grizzly and Buffalo Bore, and have more case capacity than the .50 Beowulf, the .45-70 is better in many respects as a big game gun. Was looking for AP bullets for the beo but doesn't look like anyone makes them. As noted, the straight-sided .50 Beowulf cartridge features a rebated rim the rim is narrower than the case. The whole process takes a few minutes and is extremely easy to do. 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Enter the big bore, semi-auto rifle, that doesnt need a ton of range. Hogs? Felt recoil will differ from shooter to shooter and is dependent on shooting position, stance, and the firearm being used. In terms of ballistic coefficient, the 458 SOCOM has the highest at 0.236, followed by the Bushmaster at 0.21, and the Beowulf at 0.15. So it comes down to this one question: is the pure fun of shooting this beast worth the waiting time and money? Flawless. For the 458 SOCOM, less expensive factory loads from Underwood Ammo can be had for around $2/round while bear hunting hard cast loads from Buffalo Bore run upwards of $5/round. I have no proof of that, just what I read so it might be wrong., Anywho, doesnt change the point I was getting tothe why not use the biggest, meanest, most powerful hammer in the toolbox?, Also, in full disclosure, I am a Beowulf fan girl, I love them. Anyone have any advise? To put Alexander Arms claims to the test, I joined TTAG commenter Greg in Allston and his pal Dave for an afternoon of blazing away with this interesting and capable cartridge. Already have a 12.5 inch barreled 308 but the 300 blackout keeps sticking in my head. Another major difference between all three cartridges is the type of bullet each fire. IF you didnt cancel the order it is being prepared for delivery or partial delivery. Pistols give you more FREEDOM when you live in a liberal state. My 300BLK suppressed sbr is a bit more than just a "fun gun" for me. Power, baby! The bullet diameter is only slightly larger at 0.51". Both 5.56 and 300 blackout have been extensively tested. There are enough options for ammo, that you can pick the ammo for what you're doing. Unless you configure the worlds most unwieldy AR pistol, youll need to obtain an ATF short barrel rifle tax stamp for that one. The 50 Beowulf fires a 0.50" diameter bullet that is intended for close-range engagements while the 5.56 fires a 0.224" diameter bullet that excels at long-range shots. Got it fresh in your mind? They give you basically the same punch as a short-action cartridge (at least for a couple of hundred yards) but keep the package small. This not only allows use of a more standard bolt, but it also allows that bolt to have enough metal on it to withstand pressure over time and use.As for the launcher part, Alexander Arms offers both complete upper receivers and fully-built rifles. Where else can you have a 5.56 AR carbine for whatever and then in a matter of seconds swap out uppers to get a compact, semi-automatic, big game rifle with quick change box mags then, in a matter of seconds, swap uppers again and have a perfect hunting or looooong range target rifle (the 6.5 Grendel)? Its a perfect illustration of why mag limits are stupid and any politician who votes in favor of them should be recalled. I miss it and I'd really like to get another one. I acknowledge that .450 & .458 are also great choices for hunting in North America, it really comes down to personal preference, like many gun purchases we all consider so hold the hate mail lol (and go buy a fifty cal!!!!) Just yesterday I purchased a 10.5 pistol upper from Radical Firearms 50 Beo from Primaryarms.com on sale for $419.95 (I got them to price match what Radical FA was selling them at). I liked the .50 Beowulf for the same reason that I like V8 engines, 101 proof bourbon and Marshall amps. the bottom line is the blackout will kill deer and hogs and the 50 beowulf will kill deer, hogs and anything else on the morth american continent . Unlike Mike Schulte, Ive never had any issues with mine. Im referring to recoil. I don't own, but I have shot a 300 blackout. The T shirt didnt arrive. The rapid fire capability and fun factor of the .50 is unparalleled. You wont have to guess which is the .50 Beowulf and which is the 5.56 NATO. As for knock-down power, 50 caliber bullets are second to none. I've had a 50 Beowulf. All of the major bullet manufacturers like Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, and Federal have multiple bullet options available for all three calibers. And like .45-70 Govt., you can expect some pretty dramatic drop and loss of velocity at long . Dont insult the cartridge, please. I have never been able to shoot more than 4 rounds in a row with out the gun jamming. Both the 350 Legend and 300 Blackout come in a wide variety of projectile weights and can come as both supersonic and subsonic varieties. A couple of frangible loads are available for door lock busting and training use..50 Beowulf AmmunitionAs a proprietary cartridge, ammunition choices are somewhat limited. So much the better. Not a little .45 or .458its a real FIVE OH! The .45-70 is too long to fit into the mag well of an AR-15. Matched with Starline brass cases, this one is rated at 1,830 feet per second.If you want to go straight to the source, Alexander Arms offers a variety of options for different purposes. It duplicates .45-70 performance from a modern platform that can morph into a 5.56 in less than ten seconds and (when separated from the lower) fits inside my backpack. FYI, those interested in ordering one, December 2015 the wait from order date to arrival was only 2 weeks and the gun store owner and gunsmith were in awe of the gun and ammo. at those same distances. In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster was developed using the 284 Winchester as a parent case and has the longest case length at 1.70.
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