Ferry-Morse - Flower Seeds - Plant Seeds - The Home Depot We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. Are they protecting us? 0000022336 00000 n If this is true, how did that happen? Thanks your thoughts prarie. 0000014051 00000 n People tend to gloss over all the grey, and even white, areas as a way to paint the entire issue as something to be reviled and hated, something to be fought against. It then gets called a documentary. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. of the world, it is not an issue of trust for me as much as supporting seed company diversity. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. It is available, however the poorest starving workers currently earn more using the GM cotton, which to them means more money for nutrition, health and the other necessities their earnings buy. 0000535956 00000 n It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. [3] Ferry built a new warehouse, and by 1890 was doing over a million and a half dollars in business annually. Bayer acquired Monsanto (an American agrochemical and agricultural biotechnology corporation founded in 1901 -wiki) in 2018, who had acquired Seminis (the largest developer, grower and marketer of fruit and vegetable seeds in the world - wiki) in 2005. Youve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. As with many things, our government is influenced by lobbyists. He has lots of info on this and related subjects. And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. Prior to his work, tomatoes were considered ornamental rather than edible! Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. Home gardeners can not purchase GMO seeds. I support first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness when evaluating any product. By 1930, Ferry was producing the majority of its seed in California. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. LOL! You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. So, when your government does not protect you from companies like Monsanto, you are left to do the best you can to protect yourself and to do your measly part to try to protect the availability of unadulterated seed. +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. The smaller seed companies I was referring to are generally independent operators and do not have the resources of Big Ag behind them. Web-equivalent of footnotes. Plenty of organic seed and NO GMO seed. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". If you cant have Better Boy and Early Girl, without Monsanto and their biotech efforts, Ill willingly give up their varieties. Are Ferry Morse seeds good quality? - Daily Justnow I buy native plants and grow organically. The loser is the home gardener). The length of this thread has now become ridiculous. It is way too long, and was built upon a post that is riddled with misinformation, so it requires far more fact checking then I have time for right now. How about law suits against GMO because of damage done? I have already answered this at least twice. Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? I could write an article stating that the government is doing covert genetic testing on citizens by adding something to the water to make people taller or shorter and people would think it was legitimate, because some random person typed it up and posted it online. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? We have them. Vegetables Seeds - Ferry-Morse Home Gardening | Since 1856 A.W. Ill be back to respond to it when I can. Period. --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. Comments regarding Ferry-Morse Seed Company I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. In 1958, the company formally changed their name to Asgrow Seed Company. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. No. Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 I do not think my emotions or anything I believe or present as testimonials makes any difference to others. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. Ferry-Morse Home Gardening - Home - Facebook And providing a link that I alerted you to, that I had not checked out, is not exactly a flaw. From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? No problem. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. Ferry-Morse has been a trusted seed brand since 1856. :-). I get notifications on this old thread. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. Im actually against biotech entirely. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business. And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. They genetically modify seed. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. You could take them to the cleaners for such a misrepresentation: "FAQ: Are the home garden seeds genetically modified (GM)? It doesn't matter to activists that it has been debunked, and the falsehood is repeated, for whatever reason, by people who wish to gain public attention. Gunna go GMO & Chemical ( & other non-goodie stuff ) free! I guess, the long past resolved discussion of the inaccuracy of the original link was relevant. Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. Im not an expert on Monsanto. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. Is that your point of view?, So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. What we . I'd also like a list of commercial farmers who are using Monsanto's GMO seed and the products that they end up in so I can avoid those products. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. I did not misquote you. Ferry-Morse 60MG Zinnia Cut & Come Again Annual Flower Seeds (1 Pack)- Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. The question means, that based on all the preceding explanation I gave of the difficulty I was having with the conversation, why would I want to continue it? I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. They used a popular buzzword and didn't bother to do the most superficial fact-checking. If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . :-). 0000019942 00000 n What a person intends and what they end up doing are not always the same. Over 160 years later, this method has stood the test of time as seeds are still packaged and displayed this way. I did the best I could in responding line by line and I hope even if we cannot agree on viewpoints, we can amicably tolerate each other's. for pricing and availability. Ferry-Morse. The D.M. NotMonsanto. I believe if it interests them enough, they will look into it further, themselves.. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. for pricing and availability. This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. It will only cause Monsanto to close down unprofitable seed companies which will cause a loss of natural genetic diversity. It's important to realize that, while there are definitely aspects of the issue that are, at best, unsavory, and at worst downright deplorable, there are also those beneficial and worthy parts of the whole as well. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. $1.44. Ferry-Morse. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. The plant is often grown in flooded paddies, but it can only survive for about 3 days under water. Besides which my overall choice to garden organically was made over 30 years ago, and open pollinated and non GMO seeds just fits right in with that point of view for me. The concerns people have a very real. 0000022414 00000 n I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. While it may not be the case for many people here on Gardenweb, there is generally a huge disconnect between the people and their food. PS. I'm happy with the companies I am doing business with. There are so many, many tomato seeds in the world there has to be enough for everyone, that we can do without a couple, if it means gaining something more valuable. I think you ought to be looking at yourself here as well, and accept your share of the responsibility for the way in which you have extended this conversation and turned most of the discussion into a discussion of me. The cries against GE crops can be so shrill and misinformed that it leads people to destroy test fields of the golden rice, ruining not only beneficial scientific progress and research, but medicine that children in poor countries desperately need. 0000002085 00000 n However there is one point I can beef up. It goes against my core beliefs. Is that your point of view? The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. It is not a solution to me. McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. Perhaps because half of this thread is me, explaining and defending myself. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. I do not respond to bullying, by you, by Big-Ag, nor by Anti-Big-Ag. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Great prices. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. I'm just sharing my take on it. I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. There has been more proven environmental damage caused by planting invasives, over-use of fertilizers, and habitat destruction then GMOs. I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. I spent over 2 hours composing a post this morning, which amounted to defending what I meant by what I said and after two hours of that, had no time left to actually discuss GMOs. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. Rice (Oryza sp) is the main food crop of 2.5 billion people across the globe, most living in third world countries of Asia and Africa. 0000536209 00000 n So I don't trust the viability of this list. If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. It is possible that some companies are not eager to advertise what they own. Let me get this straight. On one hand, you object to boycotting Monsanto seed companies, on the other youre willing to offer suggestions on hitting their bottom line in other ways, as long as that doesnt jeopardize the tomato varieties that you dont want to lose. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. Rodney - PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing. Grow your. You suggested that you respected this by saying afterwards: "I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? Asgrow - Wikipedia We grow our lawn without fertilizer and use clover and leave selective weeds in the lawn. Pupilla - That's fine. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. Is Ferry Morse owned by Monsanto? I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. Their paper catalog usually has an update each year about what is going on with varieties that they are finding that are non GMO and varieties they are dropping because of an association with GMO seeds. And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. Most gardeners were quick to heap praise on their favorite seed companies and their . No, I've read everything including all links. I think that is the best way to influence others to try organic growing and get to the point where a company like Syngenta has no market. Our Brands Green Garden Products 0000055179 00000 n Pupilla - I just saw this response. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. They are a Coop and have taken a strong position on this subject. They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. Morse & Co.[8][9] Charles Copeland Morse died abruptly in 1900, and his son Lester Morse took over the business. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored.
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